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Post by drbinoche on Dec 11, 2005 9:43:30 GMT -5
Deschain, I find it interesting that you want to have a constructive debate and yet you yourself state that you saw me in the pub tonight and didnt decide to maybe have the debate there or talk to me.
You claim Im immature, thats probably true, I have decided to live my life in a manner that many people would see as being immature, but you know thats my decision. Alot of my friends, who you know, may see as being immature but also like me for it. So dont knock immaturity. Whats the rush in growing up.....why do you HAVE to be mature nowadays. I say Fuck it, be immature until such a time as you choose not to be. Your childhoods over the moment you know you're going to die.
As for the insults and whether you started it or not. You are in itseld starting an immature act there. Who started it is a useless excercise. I might point out that you kinda started it by using one of Toms typos as a reference for his level of understanding. Now that is neither here nor there. We get it you have a great respect for Lennon and the Beatles and you feel that the world is a better place for them being in it. I disagree to an extent. I feel that the Beatles, while no doubt being one of the biggest bands of all time, are not the greatest band of all time. I also feel that people who try to debate the greatest band of all time are in a useless folly. In my mind there are NO greatest bands of all time, only bands who are in the right place at the right time with the right music. Would the Beatles work now......I doubt it. They'd be labelled as a boyband or as pop and no one would take em as seriously. Or maybe Im wrong and Five or Nsync will be the next Beatles. I doubt it, but it is entirely possible.
Now you see I can have a constructive debate and I will if you want one, but also realise that if your first post here is overly aggressive and insulting or deemed as such by people like me and the others who may frequent this board, then you WILL be insulted. I can call you names all I want as it is my RIGHT to do so. Whether you are a violent person or not is pointless, if you wanted to Fight about this you would have gotten me last night. Maybe you'd have won, maybe Id have won, but we would have been arguing over our beliefs, which is fucking retarded!!
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Post by Helmut on Dec 11, 2005 13:37:23 GMT -5
I wasnt gonna post on this topic but since theres so much bollox talk.... I have done everything in my power to protect Emma from knowing the name of the bastard who shot John Lennon, she didn’t know who it was until this thread. Big John Lennon fan is she? I have visions of you breaking into Easons and cutting his name from every John Lennon book and rugby tacking people who bring up the shooting. Are you for real? So she found out his name?I cant really see how this makes things any different This is fucking ridiculous.Are you serious? Emmas request wasnt especially reasonable anyway. *Note* - If you ask people on an internet forum not to do something... 9 times out of 10 they WILL do it. MARK FUCKING CHAPMAN. What has changed now that you know Emma? Fuck it, heres a picture.  Its a known fact that its easier to overcome grief the more you understand about the situation. If it is grief youre feeling and not just an attempt at milking the tragedy. Its time to move on. Yes people on this thread were aggressive..and in some cases over the top. Get over that too. Sadness is a natural emotion but youre making a mountain out of a molehill for dramas sake and we know this because of the deal you made about the name. This thread is what happens when you mix overly sensitive people with people who dont have time for overly sensitive people. |
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Post by Emma on Dec 11, 2005 17:42:52 GMT -5
i wasn't being overly sensitive.
i started the thread to Honor a great musician i felt that mentioning the killers name was disrespectful not to me but to the person whom i started this thread about.
And to set the record straight i knew his name i had forgotten it which i thought was a good thing.
I never said the Beatles were the greatest band of all time. I have to agree with Phil and say that anyone who try's to say their favorite band is the greatest band of all time is pointless music is subjective. And another thing The Beatles are not my favorite band but they are certainly among the best bands of all time (in my opinion)
My main problem with who brought up his killers name was the manner in which he done it.
Archibald it would seem that you dont have much experience of other forums yourself. I have visited other forums where someone started threads about John Lennon's Anniversary, and in every one of them people paid their respects to him much like on this forum everyone paid their respects to Dimebag.If nobody wanted to pay their respects fair enough theres no pressure on my part for anyone to pretend they loved the man for my sake or the sake of the thread.
Helmut i never tried to milk the tragedy i simply started a thread to honor a great musician on the 25th anniversary of his disgusting murder.i skipped right past the picture because that was beyond ridiculous.
If nobody can have an adult conversation about this without childish name calling and behavior then why bother. The whole point this forum started i presume was to bring a little of the fibbers weekend atmosphere into our dreary weekdays. i know a couple of the people who have posted on this Thread and to be honest the replys wernt very Representative of the atmosphere i feel when i drink with them.
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Post by Helmut on Dec 11, 2005 20:20:29 GMT -5
I think yer alright Emma but yerself and yer buddy have done yerselves no favours with your reactions. I still think your embarresingly over sensetive, but thats just my opinion.
I can see how you dont want to give recognition to scum like him ...sort of (I think bad recognition is BAD recognition and hatred for him should be celebrated) but you cant expect people on an internet forum to comply with a request that, to me and seemigly others, appeared to be ridiculously over the top and dramatic.
You seem more upset that people didnt play by your rules than you do about the death of John Lennon.
Just forget about it... this thread that is, not the name. Not knowing someones name isnt going to make anything easier.
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Post by Retrøpet on Dec 11, 2005 20:28:28 GMT -5
Emma, Get real. This is an open forum. Just because you decide you don't want someone to say something, doesn't mean you're going to get your way. People have a right to say what they want as long as it is not considered racist or homophobic. If you want to moderate what people can or can't say, open your own forum. As for Mr. Musical encyclopedia, we truly are graced to have you in our presence. If you could afford to take the time to come down off your high horse, please enlighten us more with your unending knowledge.  Alot of people here have a good knowledge of music, what makes you such a genius? |
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Post by Helmut on Dec 11, 2005 20:34:45 GMT -5
Your lucky I’m not a violent person, I saw you tonight in Fibbers and instead of acting like some idiot and punching you in the face, which to be honest your behaviour deserved, I actually laughed to myself and walked on. Why the fuck do people whrite tripe like this? "If I was X I would have done X" Why bother using violent hypothetics? Ill tell you why.. Its was a poor mans threat. Thats what that was. And before you try to defend it by saying "I was trying to express my anger" I wont buy it for a secong. Im not your biggest fan after reading your ramblings but you get A for articulation in my book, so surley you could have expressed your anger without this "If i was a tough guy" spiel. It was a useless sentence. You have a lot more time to think about your reactions when using a forum. Use it Chief. |
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Post by Helmut on Dec 11, 2005 20:35:49 GMT -5
Alot of people here have a good knowledge of music Meh! ;D Hehehehhee |
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 4:21:51 GMT -5
Emma, Get real. If you want to moderate what people can or can't say, open your own forum. Retropet i am real. i expressed my upset that people can be so insensitive to the memory of someone on his anniversary. thats all. i never said i wanted to moderate what people say. thats just you jumping to conclusions. Helmut im not embarrassed by any of my actions on this thread and you shouldnt be embarrassed for me/by me. Im not more upset by people choosing not to "play by my rules" then by John Lennons death i just choose not to express my upset here where it would be pissed upon just like his memory was. |
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Post by tom on Dec 12, 2005 4:40:45 GMT -5
One of John Lennon's many songs:
If you had the luck of the Irish,
You'd be sorry and wish you were dead,
If you had the luck of the Irish,
You'd wish you were english instead.
Why the hell are the british there anyway,
cause we kill with God on our side,
blame it all on the kids and the IRA,
cause we've got nothing to hide.
There's your hero... emma
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 4:47:44 GMT -5
nice editing there tom!!!!
also in this song
A thousand years of torture
and hunger
Drove the people away from
their land,
A land full of beutty and wonder
Was raped by the british
brigands! Goddman!
Goddman!
If you could keep voices
like flowers
There'd be aharmock all over
the world.
If you could drink dreams
like the irish streams
Then the world would be high
as the mountain of morn
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Post by tom on Dec 12, 2005 4:53:38 GMT -5
you know i'm only messing with you Emma, that Des is a bit weird though
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 5:18:20 GMT -5
that Des is a bit weird though one may very well say the same of you thomas. whats so wierd about having strong opinions? |
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Post by tom on Dec 12, 2005 5:46:26 GMT -5
Not his opinions, his scary protection of you is what i'm talkin about!
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 8:08:04 GMT -5
Scary protection??? please!!!! he respects the fact i dont like the mention of a certain person(cue someone else saying it cause i know one of you will just to be mean)
he doest as Helmut put it rugby tackle anyone who mentions it or doctor books. But upon my request doesnt say it. i had forgotten the fuckers name but thanks to you lovely and very kind hearted souls ill never forget it.
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Post by meetzemonstaz on Dec 12, 2005 8:30:37 GMT -5
Without being weird or nasty, I promise I'm just curious Emma, how do you forget someone's name? Especially if you come to the conscious realisation that you have forgotten it, do you not have the reflex human reaction to rack your brain till you remember lost facts?? Like trying to remember a quote from an obscure song or the like? Shit like that ruins my days.  Even if it's not particularly pleasant information. |
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 8:46:01 GMT -5
i honestly dont know how i did and belive me i did rack my brain but came up with qilch, but i was quite happy however to have forgotten it.
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Post by deschain on Dec 12, 2005 9:30:49 GMT -5
First of all Retrospect, when did I ever say I was a genius? I have an extensive knowledge of music, perhaps I shouldn’t of used the term encyclopaedia, but I was only defending my position after Tom accused my post as being ’googled’. I’m a music nerd, and forgive me for being knowledgeable when it comes to music and its history, music is more than just something I listen to, its my life and my work. If I come across as some know it all then I apologise, but that’s who I am and I don’t go out of my way to please people.
As for Helmut, don’t worry I wont try and defend myself with any "I was trying to express my anger"
Spiel. Like others have said, this is an open forum and I don’t have to explain myself to you.
Open forums and freedom of expression aside, I think everyone here is missing the main point. Emma started this thread to express her feelings about someone she has great respect for and she did so within a group of people she considered friends. Emma loves Fibbers, its her second home, and I sat with her while she opened this thread and she honestly believed she was opening a small tribute to a great man (whether he was great or not is your opinion but at least respect hers) and she felt that her friends at fibbers would join her, or at least respect her enough to allow her to make that tribute and not tarnish it with hate.
A lot of people have close connections with people within the music business, I’m sure there are many people out there that were personally affected by Diembag Darrell’s murder. I was very upset when John Entwistle died, it was like someone close to me had passed on, I loved what that man did for music. And to a certain extend, they are personally close to us, because any time you sit at home with your headphones on or your stereo turned up, you are connecting with the artists that made that music. They make life that little bit more easier, and no matter what you listen to, no matter what genre, whether it be rap or nu metal that aesthetic feeling is still the same.
With that being said, you can understand how people feel connected to these artists and feel grief even today. I wonder if Emma had of posted a thread concerning a relative that had died 25 years ago, would there still have been the hatemongering and insensitivity that was portrayed in this thread.
The idea of a internet forum is to simulate the idea of a community. I have visited other forums and I have never seen the display of disrespect that was portrayed in this one. And the strange thing is, most of you know each other on a more personal level. The other forums, they are all strangers but they act more civil than you crowd.
I’d like to consider this matter closed, so don’t bother coming back with ‘Shut up Gobbshite, you’re a fucking tard, you’re a gash face.’ Cause I don’t really care at this point if you think my face resembles a woman’s vagina.
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Post by tom on Dec 12, 2005 9:42:16 GMT -5
A relative is different, a relative is someone you know, someone who you care about, someone who cares about you. thats different. This is someone, who we don't know, who died before most of us were born, who wouldn't give two shits if it was the 25th anniversery of our deaths. Its fuckin ridiculous, you don't even know him. He was some stoner rock musician, and if he was still alive today, would be another Bono, who everyone dispises and preaches to you about feeding the world, like that other spoon from the Beatles Paul McCarthney. He probably would have dumped Yoko Ono about 10 years ago too, and we'd have two Heather Mills' to listen to!
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Post by Emma on Dec 12, 2005 10:15:02 GMT -5
should have would have could have Tom. fact is we dont know what WOULD have happened if he had lived. Fact is hes dead and i for one was affected by it. certanily not as much as i woud have been by a relatives death but i and lots of others were.
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Post by tom on Dec 12, 2005 10:23:12 GMT -5
how can you say you've been affected by his death? you wern't around
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Even if it's not particularly pleasant information.